to my world where it's naturally
supernatural. I have got a passion to rescue young
people that are caught in the lies of the school system to
undermine the validity of the Bible. My guest has absolute scientific
proof, because he's an outstanding scientist that
evolution is not scientific.
Is there a supernatural
dimension? A world beyond the one we know? Is there life after death? Do angels exist? Can our dreams contain messages
from Heaven? Can we tap into ancient secrets
of the supernatural? Are healing miracles real? Sid Roth has spent over 35 years
researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of
It's Supernatural! Sid: My guest Bruce Malone is a
scientist. He was with Dow Chemical for 30
years. He was one of the top 100
inventors.
He had 18 inventions that raised
millions of dollars. But taking you back when you
were in college, you told me God was irrelevant to you. But you had a deadly virus and
because of this deadly virus you came to your senses and became a
believer in Messiah. But what I want him to tell you,
as a scientist that could not possibly believe in creationism,
that could not possibly believe that there was a worldwide
flood, he goes to church shortly thereafter and he hears a
lecture by a creationist.
What effect did it have on you. Bruce: Well it shook my entire
view of reality. I mean, everything I had been
taught is this earth is billions of years old. And yet, this speaker was
showing how fossils could not possibly billions of years old.
And the more I studied, the more
I realized that's true. I mean, if you think about a
fossil, it's a dead animal caught in a rock layer. And yet, a fish that dies in
your aquarium, it doesn't turn into a fossil. It doesn't fossilize.
It's just eaten up and
deteriorates, and turns into food for other animals. Sid: So what makes a fossil? Bruce: In order to make a
fossil, you have to have something die and be buried very
deeply and very rapidly, and then lots of water flush through
the rock layers as the sediment is turned into rock. And yet, there are billions of
dead things turned into fossils into rock layers covering this
entire planet. It's testimony that this entire
globe has been deluged by an incredible flood in the fairly
recent past.
Sid: And what effect did that
have on you? Bruce: Well I realize what I had
been told about world history couldn't possibly be true
because the very rocks themselves don't match the
characteristics of these huge time periods. Sid: But you also found out that
this whole thing you believe, this theory of evolution was
false. Tell me one of the major
reasons. Bruce: Well I'll give you two
major reasons.
When you go to the bottom of
these rock layers that were laid down under water, they were all
laid down under water, you find enormous gaps between every very
different kind of creature. You'll find single cell
organisms in starfish with nothing in between. How do you do that? How do you go from a single cell
to a starfish and leave nothing in between? It's like it was created. There are starfish and lobsters,
and coral, and different kinds of animals, very different from
each other with enormous gaps.
Second, we have very recently
been discovering dinosaur bones that have totally unfossilized
soft, stretchy tissue inside the bones. Now Sid, think about this. If your grandfather's dog died
and he buried it in his backyard and you came back 50 years later
and dug in that spot, would you find any bones left, any soft
tissue left? No, you wouldn't. Sid: It would all be decayed.
Bruce: All things that used to
be alive totally decay. They turn back into molecules
that totally disappear. No fossils are tissue that have
turned into rock. But inside of that rock we find
soft tissue.
It can't be there unless those
bones were buried very recently. And we have found dozens of
these dinosaur bones with soft tissue in Montana, in Siberia,
over in Europe, around the world still with soft tissue inside of
them. Sid: So where did we get the
earth is a million, a billion years old, or whatever? Bruce: Well you have to realize
what's going on in science. There are only two possibilities
to explain everything.
I mean, pretend the entire earth
is represented by this puzzle, this box. Sid: Okay. Bruce: Either the puzzle made
itself either all the pieces, which are like the animals we
find all over the earth, made themselves or something outside
of this box made the box. Science has been defined as only
allowing natural processes.
Sid: So what you're saying to me
is you're telling me over a billion years that I could throw
these pieces like this and they'll all make themselves into
a puzzle. You got more faith than I got. Bruce: Exactly. That's the way science operates.
Let's just pretend it made
itself. But I'm telling you, the laws of
science show us it couldn't have made itself. And the evidence from the rock
layers say they were laid down rapidly. Sid: I'm going to tell you
something.
The evidence that he has, it's
irrefutable. I want you to think for
yourself. We're going to come back and
you're going to find out something that is as ridiculous
as these pieces of puzzle making themselves. We'll be right back to
It's Supernatural! We now return to
It's Supernatural! Sid: Okay.
Now the earth according to many
scientists is billions of years old. We have scientific inventions
that help us date how old the earth is. What do you say about the book
called the Bible that says the earth is a little over 6000
years old? Bruce: Well what you're not
hearing about, Sid, is that the vast majority of dating methods
indicate a very recent creation. But to explain life without God
you've got to have enormous periods of time.
So they only pick the methods
that seem to indicate, well maybe there has been a lot of
time. Let me just explain one, radial
carbon dating. Everybody has heard about that. And I'll show you why it really
supports a recent creation.
All of our bodies are made of
carbon. A certain amount disappears
every so often. So as soon as you die it starts
disappearing. Say the carbon in your body is
represented by this sheet of paper.
After so many years, half of it
disappears. After so many more years another
half disappears. So many more years, half
disappears and the a half more disappears, and a half more
disappears. We can measure how fast that
happens today.
You see what's happening? You get less and less, and less
until eventually you don't even have a single molecule of the
paper left. So scientists measure how much
something has died, they dig it up out of the ground, they
measure how much radial carbon is left and they calculate, well
then it must have been alive thousands of years ago because
there's hardly any left. This is what you're not told. This is what students aren't
told.
We can dig up dinosaur bones or
coal that was supposedly buried hundreds of millions of years
ago. There shouldn't be a single atom
of radial carbon left. Just like you can't keep
dividing the paper over and over again. And yet, we find like this much
radial carbon left in those things.
It says those dinosaur bones,
those coal scenes couldn't possibly be as old as we're told
because there's enormous amounts of this radial carbon left in
them. Sid: So could it be what the
Bible says, a little over 6000 years old? Bruce: See, that's what I
explain to people when I go out and I teach in churches and in
schools, the vast majority of the evidence indicates those
things are very young exactly as the Bible indicates. Sid: Okay. Another subject.
Is there any proof that a
creature has turned into another creature or the whole
evolutionary cycle? Bruce: There is absolutely no
proof for that. What you get is variations
within a kind of creature. It's like, you look at all the
different kind of dogs we have. We have Chihuahuas and we have
Great Danes.
But they all came from the
information God put within the first wolf type creature. And then you get lots of
variation. But a dog has never turned into
a cow, and it's never been shown how it could happen. Now what evolution will do is
line things up as you see in museums and in textbooks.
Sid: Speaking of lining things
up, the American Museum of Natural History has an
exhibition of horses. Tell me about that how it lines
things up. Bruce: It's a classic example. You see it in the textbooks and
the museums.
They'll line up creatures that
have three toes and then creatures that have two toes,
and the creatures that have a single hoof, it would be a small
creature and the a medium size creature, and then a big
creature, you see that proves the horse evolved from a
different creature. Once again, remember you're not
being told the whole story. We have since then became very
popular shown, all those creatures have been found in the
same layer of rocks. So how could one turn into
another? Sid: But wait.
Now you're talking science to
me. You're talking scientific fact. That blows that exhibit out of
the water. Bruce: Blows it out of the
water.
Sid: Why is it still there? Bruce: Because you've got to try
to pretend that it happened so they'll leave it there. Sid: Why do you have to pretend? Bruce: Because the only
alternative is that God made horses. One moment there wasn't a horse,
the next moment there was. We have lots of variety.
Some of these horses have since
went extinct. But they were simply horses with
lots of variety, just like we have dogs with lots of variety. Sid: All right. But what about we hear from time
to time these missing links, these half, these apes that
really look like they're almost human? Bruce: It's storytelling, Sid.
Sid: How come they find bones? They find bones. Bruce: I could find a tricycle
and a bicycle, and a motorcycle, and a car buried in the ground,
and I can line them up and say, see, that proves that that
tricycle turned into that automobile all by itself. That's the same thing with the
bones. That's how you can think about
them.
It's a story to try to explain
things as if God hasn't done it. It's just bones that are lined
up. Doesn't mean one is turned into
another. Sid: As a scientist, I want you
to help me.
Now this is what doesn't make
sense to me. They say, you know, a monkey
became an ape, became a human. This is taught as science. So therefore, if that be true,
why aren't there some half-apes and half-men walking around? Bruce: Because half of something
doesn't work.
A half of a feather can't fly. You can't have a reptile scale
fraying and turning into a feather and have both animals be
useful in some way. It just wouldn't work. Sid: Tell me about the bees and
the pollination of flowers.
Bruce: Well remember, if you're
not going to believe God created different kind of creatures, you
got to believe that something turned into something else, that
turned something else, and something else. So they'll line them up like the
tricycle of a car, except they do it with bones. They find flowers and plants in
different rock layers, and they give them certain ages. They pick a dating method that
supports their belief system.
They believe flowering plants
developed about a hundred million years ago. It's a fictitious time. It isn't true. But they find other animals like
bees that didn't appear until 20, 30 million years later.
How could have plants being
pollinated and surviving for 30 million years when there's
nothing around to pollenate them? It doesn't make sense. It's one of the many problems
with evolution that's just not shown as students. Sid: I don't know why, but I
have to tell you, your story about the frogs in Africa blow
me out of the water. Bruce: Well there's just, God
created things to wake us up, so we know He did it.
There's a certain kind of frog,
and it's actually in South America, where it lays its eggs
and then it swallows the eggs. So then it shuts down its
stomach acid. The frog goes....Sid: How do you
stop your stomach acid? Bruce: Good question. How do you do that? Evolution cannot explain this.
How could a creature learn to do
this? Then the frog goes through its
whole development where it loses its tail. It becomes a tadpole, grows arms
and legs, turns into little baby frogs. About six weeks later, the
mother opens its mouth and fully-grown little frogs crawl
out of its stomach. It turned its stomach into a
nursery to nurture its young and protect them.
Sid: This begs the question, how
does a frog know not to eat the babies as they're coming out? Bruce: See, creation is not
non-scientific. It means the frog was made with
those abilities. It was given those instincts so
that we would be astounded at the creativity of God. And that's the purpose.
All the variety of life is so
that we would be drawn to the maker who made it all. And yet, we pretend it all made
itself. Sid: But why didn't you see this
as a scientist that said God was irrelevant? Why didn't you see these things? Bruce: Because if you take young
children and from when they're small children watching shows
about dinosaurs pour into them this idea of billions of years
have always been around and then line up things and pretend that
it all made itself, and it's all they ever hear, we could become
blinded to any other possibility. That's what's so dangerous about
our American education.
It's become indoctrination. Sid: Okay. How about the Grand Canyon. I know that took millions of
years to develop.
I want to see his answer when we
come back. We'll be right back to
It's Supernatural! We now return to
It's Supernatural! Sid: You know, my wife is so
fascinated by what you're teaching. She's saying, if you lived in
Charlotte, she'd go to lunch once a week with you. But what about mutations? Isn't that a way of creating new
types of species and things? Bruce: Well everybody hears
about mutations.
But mutations destroy
information. And DNA, what creates our body
is this code and it's like randomly changing the letters in
a book. It destroys the information. It won't create a better book.
It destroys information. Let me give an example. For about a hundred years, we've
taken fruit flies, we put them in a chamber and we added
radiation to the, X-rays, and they mutate, and the next
generation has mutations. So we think by doing this with
millions of fruit flies Sid: What kind of mutations? Bruce: It's changing the
information on their DNA code.
But what you get are fruit flies
with different colors, fruit flies with twisted wings, fruit
flies with different numbers of bristles, fruit flies with legs
hanging out where their eyeballs ought to be. We've never gotten a new
creature. We've never gotten a new organ. We've never gotten a new
functioning feature.
We've never gotten anything
that's useful. That experiment shows mutations
don't create new kind of creatures. Sid: So how come we're taught
this on TV? Bruce: Because if you don't want
to believe God did it, you just have to make up a story. You got to come up with some way
to explain where new information comes from.
So they grabbed mutations and
they ran with it. Sid: Okay. Grand Canyon. Magnificent.
Millions of years in the making. You say different. Bruce: The key event in the
Bible to explain the world and the way it looks is a worldwide
flood. This flood was real.
This entire globe was
resurfaced. There would have been rapid
movement of the continents. As the continents shoved
together, it shoved up the mountain chains almost a year
after that flood started. The water rushed off the
surfaces of this newly laid down sediment and rock layers that
were filled with fossils.
That's where they came from. That's how it fits into the
Bible. Well as this water was rushing
away it carved out the Grand Canyon very, very rapidly. Sid: Give me an example as a
scientist of this happening rapidly, that you know of.
Bruce: Well there's a very
modern example. In Washington State, in
1980, Mt. St. Helen's blew up.
It was a volcano where the whole
top of the mountain slid down into the valley. Trillions of pounds of sediment
were instantly pulverized and turned into a fluid that flowed
down into the valley. When it happened it laid down
new layers of rock up to 600 foot deep. Later, water backed up.
Months later, it flushed through
this area of this newly formed rock layer that it flowed as a
liquid, and we see these perfectly horizontal scenes of
sentiment formed in a matter of minutes in this layer. It shows how the layers of the
earth form. Not over millions of years, but
very rapidly during this world restructuring flood. Sid: Okay.
You talk about a flood because
the Bible talks about a flood. But certainly there would be
records of this flood in different cultures all over. Bruce: Well and that's exactly
what we find. I mean, you can go on the
Internet and you can Google flood stories, you'll come up
with websites that list hundreds of cultures that have a
remembrance that there really was a flood upon this planet.
Sid: How about Native Americans? Tell me what you found out. Bruce: Well I found just a
phenomenal record from the Delaware Indians. They're one of the earliest
American Indian tribes that migrated through Alaska down
across Canada, and then spread out across the United States. They have a record of where they
believe everything came from that exactly parallels the
biblical account of creation.
The Great Spirit hovered over
the waters and then he made mankind, and the evil came into
mankind and distorted things, and deceived mankind. But then they talk about a world
covering deluge that came and destroyed the entire globe. This isn't the Bible. This is a totally separate
culture from the Bible.
Now see, all people spread out
across this globe after this flood. The Egyptians, the Chinese, the
Incas, the American Indians, they spread out after the flood. But they took with them a
remembrance of this flood, and that's exactly what we find. Sid: Tell me about the
seashells.
Bruce: We find seashells at
the top of Mt. Everest. Mt. Everest is 28,000 feet above
sea level, and yet there are fossilized seashells that high
above sea level.
The reason they're there is
because those mountains were pushed up at the end of Noah's
flood and they contained all of these dead creatures that have
been compacted into new rock layers formed during this flood. Sid: The Bible talks about, in
addition to giving evidence as to how things were created,
because the evidence is from the Creator. It talks about in the last days
there will be scoffers that won't believe what God says. Bruce: You're referring to
Second Peter 3, Verse 3, it says, "In the last days,
scoffers will come.
Everything is continued as it
has since our father fell asleep." In other words, slow, gradual
processes explain everything. That's the days we live in
today. We are living in what the Bible
calls last days. And then it says, "These
scoffers will specifically say, there was never creation out of
water," a reference to God created everything as He hovered
over the waters of the deep and there has never been an earth
flooded by water.
The two signs in the last days
will be a denial of creation and a denial of a worldwide flood. That's exactly what the academic
community is doing to all over our children as we send them
through the public education system. Sid: But God says, in the last
days, He'll give us a sign. It will be like the "days of
Noah".
What do you believe he meant? Bruce: Well Jesus said these
words. He said, "It will be as in the
days of Noah before I return." There was a monument to a coming
judgment called "Noah's Ark" towering above all mankind in
the days of Noah. I believe we are very close to
finding Noah's ark locked in ice at the top of Mt. Ararat, a boat big enough to put every
species of mammal, bird and amphibian in that boat,
locked at the top of one of the highest mountains on this
planet.
What better sign could there be
that these rock layers are not very, very old. They were laid down by this
flood only about 4500 years ago. Sid: And according to
information that I have and that you've seen, we're about ready
to see that. There's so many sightings.
Bruce: There have been sightings
from the early 1900s on up, and we now have satellites that can
see through ice, that have seen an object in that ice that looks
very much like Noah's ark. Sid: But how could the ark, I
often wonder, how could the ark hold so many animals? Bruce: Well the better question
is, why is there a boat that big locked on top of this mountain,
you know 14,000 feet above sea level? It's big enough to hold every
species of mammal, every species of bird, every species of
amphibian that's ever been alive on this planet in only about
half the space of the ark. Sid: If it was ready to rain and
God told you a flood was coming, would you get in an ark? Would you build an ark? I would. You would.
The ark has already come. The ark has a name. His name is Jesus. Bruce: Amen.
Sid: You're either in Jesus or
out of him. Choose this day who you will
serve. But as for me and my house,
we're going serve the Living God. Make Jesus your Messiah and
Lord.
You repent and the life of God
will touch your spirit and it will become alive to God. And God says a miracle will
happen. He will remember your sins no
more and you will be able to communicate with the Living God. You will hear His voice.
This is what you need now. Sid: Next week on
It's Supernatural! My guest heard from God about
the last outpouring of miracles before Jesus comes. And he heard from God that many,
if they don't do what God is going to explain to you, will
miss this great outpouring of miracles..
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